Auteur: Georges Giralt
Date: 18-03-2008 21:36
Bonsoir !
Sur APUG, il a été annoncé que Agfa Gevaert (les Bleges de Mortsel) vendraient leur papier RC Rapidoprint (destiné aux impressions de photos aériennes au public et que ce papier dispose de la même émulsion que le MCP Agfa. La différence étant la gigantesque quantité de révélateur incorporé pour en faire un papier à "accès rapide" d'où le nom.
Je vous passe les 5 pages de commentaires, mais extrait des réponses de Mirko Boedecker qui précisent pourquoi re-créer un papier identique à un qui n'est plus fabriqué est excessivement difficile :
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Agfa Areal surveillance paper
I cannot comment much on the timing, content and intention of this "news release".
But I think first of all we need to understand that this release was not made by Agfa Gevaert.
It would be hard to understand why a company is announcing it as news that they have been selling MCP in a different packing to their areal customers ever since, still are doing so and that they are undertaking steps to secure the future supply of this range.
We (ADOX and the Agfa engineers we work together with in this project - InovisCoat) never saw a problem in supplying Agfa with readymade MCP emulsion to coat their Rapitone paper.
By no means will this have impact on our MCC project.
InovisCoat will take their new coating line and larger emulsion making equipment in operation within this year. This brings our coating efficiency up by much.
We will make perfectly sized lots for an ongoing production in the consumer market. The papers will be made available to the market in ADOX MCP and ADOX MCC branding.
Anyone interested in our products is very much welcome to buy them from his dealer. Dealers are welcome to contact us (in the US Freestyle) and we will offer the paper (once it is available) with a dealer discount and at a fair end user price.
Best regards,
Mirko
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Steve,
the Rapidoprint paper had so much developing substances incorporated that you didn´t actually need a developer. In Rapid access a strong alkaline solution is enough to develop the paper within seconds.
However you may as well use a standard developer. Depending on it´s PH value the process takes longer or shorter.
Best regards,
Mirko
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et me put it in different words (but I have said this already over a year ago in a previous thread):
If you want to recreate a paper with identical characteristics to MCC and MCP you need to have the Know How (People) and the identical machinery.
And when I say identical I mean 100% identical. Down to the milimeter.
If you have only one of the two you will not succeed.
You will be able to make a paper (and perhaps a very fine one) but it will not be the same. Very probably not even close unless you are willing to completely recreate it from scratch. But this would be very unlikely to happen.
Only the group ADOX/InovisCoat has these necessary two requirements.
No one else in the world. Thus only we can recreate emulsions with identical properties. And yes, InovisCoat (with ADOX and InovisCoat as beeing afiliated partners in this) has transported emulsions made in Leverkusen (actually in the old Agfa building where the machines are still running) to Agfa Gevaert for the coating of photopaper.
It is the reason why we were hoping to come out with the MCP before InovisCoat´s new big coating line is under power.
I also mentioned this before several times. It´s the reason why we bring the MCP before the MCC even though everyone wants the MCC over the MCP.
Coating for fibre paper was not available, unfortunately.
Fotoimpex is a trading company only. I personally own two companies. Fotoimpex in Berlin and ADOX Fotowerke (i.G. = beeing founded) in Bad Saarow.
So no, Fotoimpex has not shipped any emulsion (other than our ADOLUX liquid emulsion) anywhere.
Just to be 1000% exact ;-)
Does this answer your question ?
Best regards,
Mirko
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En résumé des 5 pages :
Agfa Gevaert est fourni en émulsion par INOVISCOAT (!!!) qui a été formé par d'anciens d'AgfaPhoto à Leverkusen, qui emploient les machines rachettées à AgfaPhoto . Ils vont déménager d'un vieux batiement Agfa pour aller dans un nouveau et seront prêts dans l'année, et feront le couchage des émulsions MCC/MCP pour ADOX DES QUE LES STOCKS de papiers produits par AgfaPhoto avant la fermeture seront épuisés... C'est donc un partenariat entre les boites de Mirko (Fotoimpex et ADOX) et Inoviscoat.
Ceci explique pourquoi j'etais très sceptique sur l'affirmation que Bergger allait refaire à 'indentique les papiers produits par Forte. En effet, un Américain (retraité haut place de la division papier de Kodak) m'avait expliqué que faire deux papiers identiques en des lieux, avec du personnel, sur des machines différents etait d'une complexité inmaitrisable et que MEME Kodak avait dû se résoudre à arreter de vouloir dupliquer ses produits dans diverses usines...
Bon, j'espère que vous suivez ;-)
Perception de l'aspirine et au lit !
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