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 G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Christian Martin 
Date:   01-01-2005 12:01

Pour les savants dans ce froid premier janvier 2005

Y a t'il une différence entre un Schneider 355/9 G-Claron, et la version que l'on voit parfois apparaitre en occasion, dites Repro-Claron ?
Merci de vos lumières.
CM


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Henri Gaud 
Date:   01-01-2005 12:22

Il y a le choix sur la focale de 355 mm

Schneider G-Claron 355 f/9 f/90 457 mm 64 ° 855 gr 8x10 inch
Kodak Commercial Ektar 355 F/6,3 F/45,0 439 mm 62 ° 5x7 inch
Goertz Red Dot Altar 355 F/9,0 F/45,0 310 mm 46 ° ??? 5x7 inch
Schneider Repro-Claron 355 F/9,0 F/90,0 310 mm 46 ° 320 gr 5x7 inch

HG


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Christian Martin 
Date:   01-01-2005 12:49

Merci Henri,
je pense qu'à cette réponse, il est clair que le G-Claron et le Repro-Claron sont deux bêtes différentes.
Ilsn'ont pas le même cercle d'image

CM


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Henri Gaud 
Date:   01-01-2005 12:54

Lapalisse n'aurait pas dit mieux,

Le G-Claron est une bête "moderne" pour les petits banc verticaux des années 80,
Le Repro-Claron est plus conventionnel pour des bans horizontaux au à prisme redresseur.

On peut penser sans problème que le Repro-Claron est plus fin que son confrère.

HG


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Dan Fromm 
Date:   01-01-2005 14:28

There are two types of G-Claron, 6/2 and 6/4. Both cover 68 degrees @ f/22. The ReproClaron is 4/4, has narrower coverage.

For details, visit http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/archiv.htm


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Christian Martin 
Date:   01-01-2005 16:45

Hello Dan, what 's the meaning of 6/2, 6/4 & 4/4 ?
When you said two types of G-Claron, is it two types of 355/9 ? Same size of circle of illumination ?
Americans ULF users said G-Claron 355/9 cover 12x20 perfectly. Do you have some experiences in this domain ?
Thank to contribute to my education.
Merci Henri aussi.
CM


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Dan Fromm 
Date:   01-01-2005 17:20

Christian, early G-Clarons have 6 elements in 2 groups, a design very similar to the Goerz Dagor. Later ones have 6 elements in 4 groups, plasmat type. The Schneider archive gives more details, shows cross-sections, ...

The two types are functionally equivalent, but I understand that the modern plasmat type has marginally better -- no pun intended -- image quality at the edges. Schneider claims the same coverage for both. See their site. Some users -- look for posts by Jim Galli on http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/ -- say images made with the Dagor type are somehow more pleasing.

Repro Clarons have 4 elements in 4 groups, are dialyt designs like Apo Ronars, some (not all) Apo Nikkors, ...

Covering 12" x 20" with no movements requires a 600 mm circle. According to Schneider, at 1:1 the 355 G-Claron covers about 800 mm at f/22, therefore about 400 mm at infinity.

I can't speak for my compatriots who report that a 355 G-Claron will cover 12x20. Perhaps they expect less image quality in the corners than Schneider does. Perhaps they're trying too hard to sell lenses. Perhaps they can't read.

Regards,

Dan


 
 Re: G-Claron et Repro-Claron
Auteur: Christian Martin (83.193.95.---)
Date:   01-01-2005 18:17

Thank you Dan, it's very clear.
If you know for sure some lens which are confortable with a 12x20, it will be very much welcome.
There is a 305/9 computar on ebay ending to morrow, but the price is climbing the rasca-cielo.

Regards,
CM




 
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